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Po padcu režima Moamerja Gadafija se prehodne libijske oblasti že seznanjajo z zahtevami, da bo šeriatsko pravo osnova za novo ustavo.
Več kot 200 ljudi je na Trgu osvoboditve v Bengaziju , kjer so se februarja začeli protesti proti Gadafijevi vladavini, vzklikalo, da je "koran osnova" za novo ustavo. "To je muslimanska država in naša ustava mora odražati naša verska prepričanja. Mi smo izvedli revolucijo in ne ljudje iz Zahoda," je dejal Ahmed al Mograbi, ki je vodil molitve v eni izmed mošej v Bengaziju.
Protestniki so trdili, da se v času Gadafijevega režima šeriatsko pravo uradno sicer ni upoštevalo, a so mu v njihovih domovih kljub temu sledili, zato so libijske ženske "nanj že navajene".
Al Islam razmišlja o predaji in o pobegu
Gadafijev sin Saif Al Islam je Mednarodnemu kazenskemu sodišču (ICC) povedal, da se ne počuti krivega obtožb o zločinih proti človečnosti. Glavni tožilec ICC-ja Luis Moreno-Ocampo je sporočil, da so s pobeglim sinom ubitega libijskega voditelja v stiku prek posrednikov, ki jim je Al Islam dejal, da je nedolžen, pri čemer ga je zanimalo, kaj se bo zgodilo z njim, če ga oprostijo obtožb.
"So nekateri ljudje, ki so povezani z njim in so povezani z našimi ljudmi," je dejal glavni tožilec in dodal, da imajo veliko zaupanje v človeka, ki je posrednik sodišča.
Za 39-letnega Saifa Al Islama, ki je dolgo veljal za očetovega naslednika na čelu države, je ICC junija izdal zaporni nalog zaradi zločinov proti človečnosti, saj naj bi igral ključno vlogo pri sistematičnih napadih na civiliste v številnih libijskih mestih, ki so jih na začetku upora februarja izvajale Gadafijeve varnostne sile.
Pobeg s pomočjo plačancev
Po podatkih, s katerimi tudi razpolaga ICC, skušajo plačanci Al Islama prepeljati v eno izmed prijateljskih afriških držav, največkrat pa se omenja, da bi lahko šlo za Zimbabve, katerega predsednik Robert Mugabe je bil tesen zaveznik Gadafija.
Al Islama je ICC opozoril, da bi lahko prestregli letalo, s katerim bi skušal pobegniti iz skrivališča v Sahari na varno v katero drugo državo.
ICC je pojasnil, da se z Al Islamom ne pogajajo, ampak so mu prek posrednikov pojasnili, da mora stopiti pred sodišče, saj je obtožen vojnih zločinov.
Al Islam naj bi se skrival nekje v Sahari, verjetno v bližini meje z Alžirijo ali Nigrom, kjer mu zatočišče nudijo Tuaregi, ki so v preteklosti uživali podporo Gadafija in mu v zameno nudili lojalnost.
Skupaj z njim naj bi bila skupina afriških plačancev, med njimi tudi iz Južnoafriške republike, ki naj bi ga skušali prepeljati iz Libije nekam na varno.
Itak je libija blizu evropi in ne ZDA (poglavarju tolpe). Bolj bo nestabilna, raje jo bodo imeli v ZDA. Naval beguncev iz libije je po gadafiju in po posredovanju krščanskega ognja in meča, ki je zase dobil nafto, samo še vprašanje časa. Berlusconi, potomec mongolov Sarko.... so s tem samo podaljšali krizo v evropi. finančnčno in družbeno. Nemiri, nestabilnost.... so v njihovih demokracijah stalnica. In točno to so izvozili še v libijo, le da se bo to bolj maščevalo njihovim državam, kot eksperimenti, ki so jih njima podobni izvajali nad lastnim prebivalstvom.
Yeah, right......
Ej kul! Glavno da so navajene. Sej če nebi bile navajene, bi jih pa poslali na inštrukcije k ljudem s krošnjo okrog ust.
Alahuekber demokracija.
Tudi pri nas komunisti prirejajo smešne proteste pred borzo in zahtevajo konec kapitalizma, kar pa ne pomeni, da se bo to zgodilo.
Libija: šerjatsko pravo, Egipt: pobijanje koptskih kristjanov po 30 letnem miru. V čigavem interesu vse to?? Verjetno libijcev in egibčanov
Seveda so bebcki z zahoda ze racunali s tem in se veselili,da se bo, ko bodo njihovi miragi zaropotali nad votlino, ta kar tako sama od sebe odprla.Toda ne, treba se bo se nauciti magicno besedo in ta prav zagotovo ni "demokracija"Tukaj poznajo te oznavalce demokracije kot povsem kaj drugega. Ni se minilo 100let,ko so prav ti,ki sedaj tako propagirajo cloveske pravice, izropali Afriko jio kolonilazirali in ponizevali. In sedaj naj jim kar teko verjamejo,da so prisli sem, samo zato ,da jim bi pomagali??
menda ne more biti nihče presenečen.
kakšna Karmen še, morda..
Protestniki so trdili, da se v času Gadafijevega režima šeriatsko pravo uradno sicer ni upoštevalo, a so mu v njihovih domovih kljub temu sledili, zato so libijske ženske "nanj že navajene".
K sm pa tole prebral me je pa kar mal zabilo... so že navajene... pa saj ni pes, da bo navajena!!!!
Gadafijevega sina bodo verjetno tudi ubili, saj nedvomno ve veliko prevec, da bi se pojavil na kengurujskem sodiscu Bruslju. Spomnimo se le letovanja v Rotschildovi vili na Krfu in obiskov na britanskem dvoru.
pameten in pogumen človek, up zmasakriranega prebivalstva te strte dežele
Da se vrnem k temi. Ne ICC v Hagu, treba je ustanoviti res neodvisno mednarodno sodišče, ki bo tako kot na Nürnbergškem procesu sodilo enemu najhujših zločinov v zgodovini, predvsem pa vojnim zločincem in masovnim morilcem Obami, Sarkozyju, Cameronu... ter ostalim.
Mediji pa poskušajo pozornost preusmerit na Saifa in tekmujejo, kdo si bo zmislil boljšo zgodbo o njem.
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Kaj pravijo študentje v Libiji
Why They Want Him, Dead!
The Picture: War on Libya is War on Entire Africa
Source: Reuters Edited By: Quoriana
Posted: 2011/07/27
In 2010 Gaddafi offered to invest $97 billion in Africa to free it from Western influence, on condition that African states rid themselves of corruption and nepotism. Gaddafi always dreamed of a Developed, United Africa and was about to make that dream come true - and nothing is more terrifying to the West than a Developed, United Africa.
Here is a selection of the initiatives Libya has already put in place in Africa, as well as some of the projects it is planning, explaining why the West's illegal war against Libya also is a war against Entire Africa.
AFRICAN UNION: Libya is one of the biggest contributors to the budget of the African Union. A Libyan diplomat told Reuters Libya is one of five countries -- the others are Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa -- which cover 75 percent of the Union's budget. "Libya makes its full required contribution to AU funds. Not all countries do and that buys it influence," a senior African Union official said.
MALI: For several years Mali has been confronted with the activities of the radical Islamist militia Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb in its northern deserts. Gaddafi’s money and diplomacy have helped to resolve conflicts in northern Mali between rebels and the government. In 2010 Libya has given Mali two security planes to combat insecurity in the north of the country. These conflicts could flare up again if Gaddafi exits the stage. Nowadays Gaddafi has many supporters in Mali who regularly march to protest against the Western-led military intervention in Libya.
CONGO: Libya has put $65 billion into sovereign wealth funds, including one which is specifically designed to make investments in Africa. The Libyan Arab African Investment Company, a vehicle of Libya's Africa sovereign wealth fund, owns Le Meridien, one of the biggest hotels in Congo. The hotel is undergoing refurbishment paid for by Libyan investment. In 2010, Libya planned to fund the building of a highway north of Congo's capital Brazzaville, where also the building of a mosque is planned.
LIBERIA: Libya has provided millions in investment projects, helping to strengthen the rule of President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf in one of Africa’s most impoverished nations. Gaddafi's help includes the funding of a rubber processing factory built in Gbarnga, Bong County, a technical and vocational school for the handicapped, as well as Libyan assistance in helping Liberia tackle the food crisis and renovation for the Ducor Intercontinental Hotel.
NIGER: Also in Niger Gaddafi has helped to prop up the government and the authorities would become more fragile without his financial help. Libyan Prime Minister Al-Baghdadi Ali al-Mahmoudi visited Niger in August 2010 and announced the creation of a $100 million investment fund for Niger as part of a strengthening of bilateral ties. Under earlier agreements, Libya is contributing 100 million euros for the construction of a Trans-Sahara highway in the north of Niger, according to sources close to Niger's foreign ministry. The local subsidiary of Libya Oil, along with Total, are the major players in Niger's fuel retailing business.
CHAD: Gaddafi has been a key supporter of the government, which would weaken if it lost his aid revenue. Chad has been plagued by civil wars and invasions after its independence from France in 1960. After years of unrest, Gaddafi seals a peace agreement for Chad between four Chadian rebel groups and the Chadian government in 2007, which agreement was signed in Sirte.
In 2010 Libya made a huge investment in Chad's National Telecom, which meant a boost of the number of the Chadian mobile phone users from 100,000 to two million.
CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC: Libya has helped to prop up the fragile government, sending paratroopers into the capital in 2001 to defeat a rebel assault. In 2008 Gaddafi played a role in the formation of a peace agreement between the government and rebel groups.
MAURITANIA: Gaddafi was the first head of state to visit after a 2008 coup which brought President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz to power. Aziz, who subsequently won a presidential election, has visited Gaddafi several times since then. Even Mauritanian opposition politicians have gone to Tripoli to pledge allegiance to the Libyan leader. Mauritania has debts to Libya of about $200 million. During discussions on debt relief in May 2010, the Libyan Central Bank announced Libya would provide $50 in grants to build a hospital and a university. The university is to be named after Gaddafi.
SUDAN: The 20,000-troop peacekeeping mission in Dafur, jointly supported by the African Union and the United Nations, could be hampered if the African Union (AU) loses funding from Gaddafi and destabilize the country. Gaddafi, who blamed the crisis in Darfur on Israel, made a number of attempts to broker peace talks between Darfur rebels and the Sudanese government.
In October 2010, Gaddafi warned ahead of a vote on possible independence for South Sudan that a partition of the country would be a “contagious disease” that could spread to other African states.
ETHIOPIA: The African Union, based in Ethiopia's capital, could find itself in financial trouble if it loses the massive support that Gaddafi gives it. Under his rule, Libya supplied 15% of the AU’s membership dues, and it also paid the dues of many smaller and poorer African nations. To seek for a solution of the Eritrea-Ethiopia conflict, Gaddafi has sent a special envoy to Ethiopia in 2000. In 2008, Libya's OiLibya bought Shell Ethiopia. This agreement also included retaining all Shell employees, who were hoping to work in a better environment since a long time
SOMALIA: The African Union peace keeping mission, whose 8,000 soldiers are crucial to the battle against Islamic radicals in Somalia's capital Mogadishu, could be severely weakened if the AU lost the financial support of Gaddafi. In 2008 Libya decided to grant an investment fund to Somalia through the Sahel-Saharan Investment and Trade Bank to fund infrastructures such as roads and bridges within Somalia.
GAMBIA: Libyan firms own two hotels and the "Dream Park" entertainment centre in Gambia. Gambian agriculture has received support from Libya, including a donation of seven new tractors. In 2009 Gaddafi gave two camels to Gambian President Yahya Jammeh as a gift. The Libyan and Gambian presidents have exchanged visits and senior Gambian officials attended ceremonies in September to mark the anniversary of Gaddafi coming to power. On September 7, 2009, Gambia celebrated the 40th anniversary of the Al Fateh Revolution: "In Libya everyone enjoys Freedom!"
A BIT ABOUT THE LIBYIAN PEOPLE'S PREVIOUS QUALITY OF LIFE
1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free
for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are
state-owned and loans given
to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
3. Home considered a human right in Libya –
Gaddafi vowed that his parents
would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a
home. Gaddafi’s father has
died while him, his wife and his mother are still living
in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$
50,000 ) by the government
to buy their first apartment so to help start up the
family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in
Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25%
of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career,
they would receive farming
land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and
livestock to kick- start their farms
– all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical
facilities they need in Libya,
the government funds them to go abroad for it –
not only free but they get US
$2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government
subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves
amount to $150 billion – now
frozen globally.
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after
graduation the state would
pay the average salary of the profession as if he or
she is employed until
employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to
the bank accounts of all
Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US
$5 ,000
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation
project, known as the Great
Man-Made River project, to make water readily
available throughout the desert
country.
A BIT OF BACKGROUND INTO THE HISTORY OF LIBYA:
Dictator he might be, but I don't think he is any worse of the leaders of countries such as the UK or USA who have contributed to the deaths of millions of civilians in war and helped expand vast poverty with and out-width their own countries.
The official UN Advisory Committee on Human Rights report from January 2011
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrc
ouncil/docs/16session/A-HRC-16-15.pdf
Gadaffi was attempting to make a gold backed currency and encouraging other African nations to join him in this move which would mean that we could see better balance and essentially destroy the petrodollar (quite rightfully, the big oil industry players and the governments and investors they support and vice vera only care about profit and will stop at no lengths to secure profit whether it means death or poverty to others).
The real motive in my opinion was economically based because of the gold backed currency and as seen here most of the population in the capital has been seen out demonstrating in support of their leader..........
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_i
d=180010078727018
An independent report on Libya.
"Organized on the initiative of the ‘Centre international de recherche and et d’études sur le terrorisme et d’aide aux victimes du terrorisme’ (CIRET-‐AVT1) [International Center for the Study and Research into Terrorism and assistance to the victims of Terrorism] and the ‘Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement’ (CF2R2) [French Center for Intelligence Studies]
and with the support of the ‘Forum pour la paix en Méditerranée’ 3 [Mediterranean Peace Forum], a delegation of international experts arrived to tour Tripoli and the Tripolitana from 31st March to 6th April, then to Benghazi and Cyrenaica (19th to 25th April) in order to evaluate the Libyan situation independently, without bias and to meet representatives of both sides."
http://www.box.net/shared/2auaino6asz1qg
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Another well put together report on Libya by Andrew Gavin Marshall
http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/08/2
6/lies-war-and-empire-nato%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Chumanitarian-imperialism%E2%80%9D-in-libya/
He oppressed political movements and people died when he came to power originally (many other coups have been the same). After that period I am not convinced he was the worst leader around. The lengths he went to improve the country and from what I've read during the Libya conflict is that lots of pepople hated him and that lots of people loved him. There was an extreme tendancy from all the reports I read that people were being attacked for showing loyality even if they were non violent. Also widepsred accusations of families homes being attacked to try and cull out the numbers but it is uncertain if that is credible all not....
Things that I needed to consider is videos like this with people apparently out in support but the western media totally ignored it. Maybe it was old footage used as propaganda ploy.
(apparently huge crowds out in support)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzNhk3zv
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I watched live video feeds of the same thing, but again, it is hard to know if it was old footage or really live.
I am also skeptical about lockerbie as well. I've not seen the evidence to back up the claim Libya was involved. Gadaffi did make payments but it is unclear whether that suggests he was gulity, felt bad that they had been attacked so paid because he can afford it or if it was to open the chanell for trading.
I'm personally a bit sceptical about wether this man (the convicted bomber) had anything to do with it. Seems things he has said as been taken out of context and as far as I know, the only thing which convicted him in the first place was a witness statement by a man who offered contradictory statements about the movements of Megrahi and a piece of an electronic device which we have no way of knowing if there was a link between Megrahi and the device or not. The man who offered the convicting statements was also paid 2 million dollars by America, but this was not disclosed at the time of the trial.... I don't know who was behind the Lockerbie bombing but I am not quite ready to believe that the convincted man had anything to with it.
http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php
/scottish-opinion/3340-how-long-must-we-wait-before-something-is-done-about-bbc-scotland.html
he best way to describe the origins of the NTC is that there was rivalry from people in the west of libya and the rest of libya, due to the tribal system. The people in the west of libya were more muslim fundamentalist and made is a religious war in many respects. They ended up forming about 1/3 to 2/3 of the NTC. The rest generally came from criminal backgrounds and in the past had been involved in fighting over territory with Gadaffi....
From what I can gather from reading those reports and article from people in Libya, a lot of the population feared the muslim fundamentalists of the NTC inplmenting shari law as that was something people in the capital supposedly wanted to distance themselves away from.
This is why I think a lot of the accusations in the media about the entire conflct are inconclusive and it is very hard to say how much of the population has supported either side as i cant trust the media to offer non bias reporting.
It was confimed that foreign military people were on the ground training people a couple months before any airstrikes, so it appears orchestrated and i suspect the reason was that Gadaffi was in the process of encouraging arab nations to start trading using a gold backed currency. An issue that went largely unmentioned in fact. Only reason that the rebels got going in the first place was because of bombing support and arms from NATO, and most importantly it seems, a propaganda war on top of it.
I am not 100% sure on their intentions actually. Religiously motivated for some, buisiness related for others, others disputes over tribal matters involving losses to families and ownership of land are things that are all part of the picture.
Most of the population however did have good services offered to them like clean water, a free house for the first year of marridage, houses were owned by the people and not banks, libya had no debt to anyone, education standards were awesome, poverty was generally very low and out of gadaffis own money, you could get flown abroad for operations if the hospitals were not equiped for a specific medical procedure. this goes totally ignored. he was not a saint because he clearly killed people coming to power, he tried to stop politcal movements and attacked those who attacked him.
i'd need to review things to try gain better insight into it, but the tihngs mentioned in the second paragraph about religion, buisiness and tribal disputes covers a lot of it.
I reckon these people had their own reasons to want to gain a position of power and I reckon NATO and the nations backed by NATO saw the the threat of the gold dinar and saught to capitalise on getting rid of that threat, getting a chance at new opportunties to get involved with their economy (as has happened) and it appears now that NATO is a strong position to "help" them build a new future and can possibly threaten other nations by holding onto that location.
That itself is really really sad.
Other sad thing is taht hosptials have been bombed, schools destroyed, water supplies destroyed, journalists killed, tens of thousands of civilians killed. Everything destroyed basically.
WITH NO CHANCE OF A TRIAL WE WILL NEVER ULTIMATELY SORT OUT THE FACTS FROM THE FICTION IN REGARDS TO ACCUSATIONS.
We might figure out a great deal but it will not get put through a court. I guess NATO would fear that.
— with William J. Schleich, Daryl Qoolio Mickawwsome, Martin TheForce OfTruth and Louise Seidu in Tripoli, Libya.
Hvaležnost pa taka. Jibril je kot Rupnik, tolče po roki, ki ga je hranila.
Se pravi, da sta obe državi Libija in ZDA pred ICC enaki, ker nobena ni potrdila pristojnosti ICCja. Zanima me pravna razlaga, zakaj se ICC strinja oz je vzel na znanje, da ni pristojen za sojenje ameriškim državljanom, za ves ostali svet pa je legitimno sodišče za zločine proti človeštvu.... Zakaj nobena druga država tega sveta ne more tako kot ZDA enostavno reči, da ne priznava sodišča in s tem dobiti imunitete, ki so jo dobile ZDA?
Odgovor je preprost, ker ima glavno besedo gospod DOLAR - IN GOD WE TRUST.
Saif al Islam (Meč Islama), vso srečo v boju proti zahodnemu imperialističnemu fašizmu.
Seif El Islam Gaddafi: I shall turn your lives into nightmares
The son of the late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has promised to those responsible for the National Transitional Council (CNT), to transform their lives into nightmares to avenge his father and brother who were tortured before being killed.
Seif el Islam, which is still unknown where it is located, has promised to work tirelessly to avenge the blood of his father and his brother, victims of the civil war in Libya.
In a message published on “Seven Days News’, close to the regime of his father, Seif addresses CNT and his fighters who killed his father and brother. “They have kindled a fire, then they must bear the fire, they shed blood, then we will be ruthless,” he said. A message appears to be the go-ahead to start his followers to commit acts of revenge by using car bombs and assassinations.
Seif threat fighters, saying that even if NATO does not go away, it will not protect them in their homes, their cars, in public places.
Speaking to his supporters, Seif says that they have consolation only after having accomplished his mission “even after 50 years,” adding that “if we had wanted us out we would have done, but now we exceeded the red line and we do not back down. “
Speaking to his family in Algeria, Seif reassures them by telling them he’s fine and has not changed. He will continue his fight, not to regain lost throne, but for the country and honor.
“Many,” he said, “think it’s all over, but the reality is that everything has just begun.”
Seif promised once again that those who were behind a death of his father and brother, will pay with their lives. “I will sow death around them,” he promises.